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 Subject: Blessing in disguise for Brahmins Hi All, Let me tell you something i know about Brahmins. They are Poor as well as Rich. But they are Brilliant and Intelligent. This no one can steal from them. Of course they are ridiculed and denied any of the rights (Like Jobs and Higher Education) These are denied from them only by politicians to get votes from Dalits, Christians and Muslims. Let me tell you. Jews were chased by every one. What is their position now. They are the Intelligent ones in the World. They are able to Cultivate Apple in a Desert. Same way the more you crush Brahmins they will also grow. Many Brahmins are abroad and they are rich and bring laurells to our country. Deny them one they will choose the other and try to make a living.If you deny them higher education in India they will get the same in US and grow well. It is high time that Government stops these reservations and look every one with same view. |
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RE:Blessing in disguise for Brahmins
Actually he is right. In Germany, Hitler (Political leaders) came to power by instigating the majority Germans against Jews who were very successful in trade and education (remember Einstein?). Jews (Brahmins) were only a few % (like Brahmins 3%) of the population and they were vilified as having come from “outside” (Aryan invasion theory) and were unjustly cornering the benefits. Theories expounded by Goebbels (Periyar) were used for propaganda. So laws were passed restricting trade ownership (SSI laws), minimum 50% of German (OBC/SC/ST) employees in Jewish (Brahmin) firms, and in appointment of Professors in state funded institutions (IITs/IIMs). In other words, quotas, like in TN for example.
All problems for German majority (OBC/SC/ST), including defeat at British hands were attributed to Jews (Brahmins), and roused the population. To keep the rhetoric high, and the minds of people away from hunger/poverty, the Jew (Brahmin) became the prime symbol to be attacked. Millions of Jews (Brahmins) had to flee to America, Australia, Canada (like Brahmins today) and England. Einstein and other Jews helped create the atom bomb in America. Lessons anyone?
Posted by param on 04-JUL-06
87 comments
HAINE says:
August 31, 2006 at 9:13 pm (UTC 0 )
YES THTS VERY TRUE… WHERE THERE IS OPPORTUNITY AVAIL IT! INSTEAD OF SHOUTING FOR EQUALITY TO THE INEQUALS!
aravinthan says:
September 1, 2006 at 11:09 am (UTC 0 )
Yes, your comment gives me a nice feeling.. thanks for the support.
Ravi Kumar says:
September 13, 2006 at 4:31 pm (UTC 0 )
Dear Aravinthan,
The system is not fair, we all know and we do not have the powers to fight it. Let us work hard and be committed , coal turns to diamond under pressure.Acrimony is damaging and need of the hour is for the community to progress without hatred.
aravinthan says:
September 14, 2006 at 10:34 am (UTC 0 )
Completely agree with you .. Ravi…
Sangeetha says:
September 16, 2006 at 1:41 pm (UTC 0 )
Hi Aravinthan,
I am writing this in response to your article on seggregation of Brahmins. I would say that a brahmin is another brahmins enemy. We don’t have any leader who can unite all of us under an umberella and guide us in the right path. For Muslims or Christians they have leader for whom the entire clan will do anything. Consider, the recent remarks made by the Pope, the entire Muslim community is burning down. When Shankaracharya was arrested how many of us stood by him and supported him? Britions knew how to divide India and that is what is being practiced even today. When we are divided how can we fight for our rights? The jews are united. When you get chance, watch BBC’s documentary on 50 years of Arabs and Israel. We might be a part of the cream, but if we have to continue our survival we must be united. In my opinion every brahmin living in this planet must become austere, learn Vedas and practice the day to day ritual that has been instilled by our forefathers. This may not happen and it happens in few cases. When I went on temple tour in TN, I found several temples in a dialapitated stage. When we don’t respect our own culture and history how can we succeed in setting a firm foot in our soil. It is only after TVS took over the divya desams in Thirunelvelli, those priests are having a good meal. Swami’s like Krishnapremi or Murali guruji must be encouraged and we must discard our subsect feeling and unite. When we do this, we will be firm and become like a united arab nation.
mona says:
September 22, 2006 at 2:03 pm (UTC 0 )
hello. i am mona a lebanese girl and i will be very thankful if i can meet someone who is from brahmins because this is what i am searching for. i would like to leave u my e-mail here which is druze-girl@hotmail.com and as long as u u will be able plz contact me . thanks a lot and bye
jakku says:
November 12, 2006 at 12:03 pm (UTC 0 )
A good point to think !!!!
Deepak Kumar Vasudevan says:
November 22, 2006 at 4:33 pm (UTC 0 )
True. The more something is forced controlled, with more pressure it comes out. You can keep forcing a ball in water and at any moment, it would bounce out.
s.gopalaswamy says:
November 26, 2006 at 8:06 am (UTC 0 )
Jaya Jya Sankara
What you say is nothing but the truth. Why they are so intelegent. Has they have a brain which is different than others. It is not so. It is because it is inherent in their gene. how is that. It is because they are the progeney of the RISHIS of of yore. When you pedal a cycle you will find that even after stopping pedalling the cycle will run some more distanc.Now We have forgotten the our culture and have sarted adopting western cultue in our day to day life.we have fogotten vedas,smirithis and our culture . If this continues a day will come all brahmins will be idiots .
We have to learn may things from western culture without losing our culture and identity that is the only way to mainatain at least the present intelegent level of our communities. let us under stand this first
Hara Hara Sankara
s.gopalaswamy
RAghavendra says:
November 30, 2006 at 11:08 pm (UTC 0 )
Hi Sangeetha,
I got your point ….we too have a leader but no one is following the LEADER ….the mathas or the peethas established by AdiShankara are the religious heads of Vaidika religion, there are several other peethas came up later but it is ADI SHANKARA who established the SANATANA DHARMAM…he has given BIKSHA to even GODS …..it is his supremacy and deeds that today INDIA has got this much of religious culture and heritage if not there would be nothing in INDIA …Follow AdiShankara Peethas…there are FOUR important Peethas + Kanchi Kamakoti Peetham aswell…They are the LEADERS ………
HARA HARA SHANKARA
JAYA JAYA SHANKARA
KALADI SHANKARA ….
Charu says:
May 13, 2007 at 2:06 pm (UTC 0 )
Iam a non-brahmin here and I agree that brahmins and generally the upper-castes have been denied rights in education bcos of the sympathy and the general support forlower-caste ppl in the last few 70-80 years..But then, its true that your community has also been involved in scandals than ever. What happened in Kanchi was a shame and can never be forgiven. Who says Brahmins should support Jayendar Saras.? He/she must be a culprit then with they eyes/mind of a murderer!
While the community’s contributions and principles are something I agree with, the only way to get rid of reservation and stuff like that is overthrowing a govt, like MKs? How many Brahmins supported Jaya? I support her and still will. Many Brahmins had spoken ill of her and guess its pure jealousy.
And as far as talent is conerned, its NOTHING TRUE that Brahmins are talented. Most of thwe ones I’ve seen are dumb. And some are talented. Its not related to caste anyway. So, be clear in it. When you refer to intelligence, its the talent for survival and not technically.
As for Brahmins being degraded, most of the actresses are Brahmins and its know what the actresses are, the most corrupt ass Rajni (who doesnt have a lastname) is a Brahmin as I know. So, one does not become good or bad by birth, its by their deeds that they become one.
T. Srinivasa Murthy says:
May 26, 2007 at 7:26 pm (UTC 0 )
I am a brahmin by birth.
But I am sure I am not a brahmin by qualities (as I assess my self).
So is the case with many brahmins. How many of them are strict vegetarians, at least.
And instead of claiming supemacy (in intelligence etc.) over their own brothers & sisters (Indians), brahmins should focus on being virtuous.
And who cares if somebody is intelligent, everybody is leading their own lives.
As regards injustice being done by Governments (by denying opportunities to the meritorious), creamy layers of other castes should help the situation by not resorting to greed. Let the real needy be benefited ( if compromising on merit is inevitable).
And let us not forget great brahmins we have. And let us not insult great non- brahmins we have.
T. Srinivasa Murthy
Vishwa says:
May 27, 2007 at 10:42 am (UTC 0 )
hi,
First off, i extend my hand, for you have written on a very intriguing topic. Granted, brahmins are being denied their fairshare in higher education and jobs. But comparing the current regime with one of Hitlers and the status of brahmins in the country with jews in Germany is a stride in the wrong direction.Brahmins aren’t feeling completely isolated from the society as the jews did, many of them are participating in activities pertaining to social and economic progress. Even they want the under-privileged to make progress. Fact remains that most of the NGO s wud’nt be what they are now,if Brahmins were feeling isolated.So there is nothing in the interest of the current regime to seggregate Brahmins.It appears like dat because of some Brahmins who draw heir own inferences from these resevation laws and remain seggregated.
Being a Brahmin,i know that most of the Brahmins goto foreign countries in search of money and it is not because they are bein denied education over here. Avarice shud not drive anybody, is something the four vedas and the upanishads, which resulted in the Dharmashastra,say.Contradiction ???
So if ur expecting those brahmins who went to Americas and the canadas to retaliate, u are expecting the Indian soccer team to win the FIFA world cup. They went in search of money and not survival, which in the case of the jews was the exact opposite. So do not try and generalise your feeling.
ADDENDUM:
the previous comment seems to argue that the brahmins claim for their fairshare languishes in front of the Kanchi scandal. I dont buy that fact.
mymithraa says:
June 7, 2007 at 2:28 pm (UTC 0 )
I fully Support Sangeetha on this point. We should encourage Leaders (swamis) like Krishna Premi Maharaj.
Amar says:
June 19, 2007 at 3:26 am (UTC 0 )
HELLO ALL !!
YOU PPL ARE MISSING OUT ONE SOMETHING VERY ESSENTIAL.
Firstly, brahmins are themselves a very distinct RACE who came from either the central asia or the steppes of russia although this is only a school of thought.
Brahmins are ARYANS and therefore it is ridiculous to compare brahmins with the jews.
The social and educational structire right now is ridiculous and the whole system of caste resevation itself is total bull-shit and I dont want to comment on that.
Genetic Evidence has proved beyond doubt that the Genes of the upper class and brahmins with the Europeans, russians and caucasians.
BRAHMINS RULE.
shailendra pandey says:
June 26, 2007 at 8:37 pm (UTC 0 )
it is a different thing all together whether the brahmins are opressed or not,but no one can deny that genuine efforts are being made in that direction.i am of the view that no one can opress you untill you yourself allow them to opress you.
brahmins should stand up united,both in a civilized as well as in not so civilized way to hunt down this devil.goal is important not the path taken to achieve that goal and that is the teaching of gita.
enemies should be made the jews and we have to assume the role of nazis
eswaro says:
June 29, 2007 at 11:16 am (UTC 0 )
The day of civil war in india is not far becos apart from brahmins evey racisst , caste will figh to get into SC st leading to blodd shed and end of united inida . Brahmins can be silent observers as churchhill rightly said ” rascal, scoundrels and criminals rule india” which is very true soon. Loo k at gujjar and meena caste fighting. it is starting right now. LEt us see the self destruction in india since brahmins can survive being non aligned and passive.
CHETAN says:
July 9, 2007 at 4:26 am (UTC 0 )
Hi everyone
when we say brahmins are intelligent,i think we are talking about those who got opportunity to prove their intelligence through education or buissness.But there is a huge section of brahmins in rural india who can not get these opportunities due to finantial limitations and reservation .it is getting more more difficult for them to keep pace with changing time,economic demands and social structure.I will not be surprized if fifteen years down here i see people who are bramhins by birth but not in life style(half of us do not know about our own culture and there in increasing no of intercast marrages).indeed one can not maintain and propagate bramhin culture without higher education,money and personal freedom.I am in US but brahmins in US is just a tip of iceburge,there is huge section of brahmins in india how is struggling to sustain in fast pace changing economy.
SankaraSubramanian.B says:
July 13, 2007 at 8:54 pm (UTC 0 )
I partially but mostly agree with what eswaro says.he is right and rightly analysed the situation without any bias. but civil war point that is only somewhat troubling me . The war between these BACKWARD COMMUNITIES is there always in one or other form but with some modified fashion and enhanced manner. That is the set-up they got used to and will try to maitain.
No brahmin or his culture is degraded . Still some outward change and “show ” to cope up with the soceity. In anywhere in India or in foreign have u seen or heard of Brahmin organising a rally against anything or anybody even whom we consider our enemy like MK in TK or the so-called followes of PERIYAR or other leaders.
We are the Real SC people as of our present status given by the Indian Government Policy. And the non-Brahmins are the Real -Brahmins in the same way.
But We people are harmless, passive and remain truthful to our conscience and this gives the Intelligence to shine in Education field(Knowledge is Power, the Greatest one) understand the adjust with the people ,environment by our adopting nature that is inherent in everyone of us.This is enough for our survival. do we have any Brahmin suicidal case or murder case or heard of any one in lunatic Aslym.
Regarding qulaity variation that is due to TRIGUNA by birth and these problems of not looking after Madam or temples or Acharya are due to Fierce competition and stress in the Job Envirnment and scaling-up of subjects burden in the education field, and increase in wants and needs in family set-up. Those days people do not have such problems and they carried out easily everything.But we people are trying our level best to maintain these things and so far so they are running properly.
Intercaste marriage happen becauese of foolish decision by the people concerned driven by Adventurous Nature. I know so many cases regreeting later their action.
Our tadition will never vanish through eternity why because it is equal to the vanishment of “Brahman” which is the very source of everything.Then Do u accept then our culture will be no more?????????.
Our leaders are only spiritual Leaders ordained by the Almighty Itself and they can do only this much and should do. This I am very particular about. Otherwise if they enter into polity in the form of caste leader, political Advisor or Philanthrophist they have to meet the fate of sri sri Jayendra. Because these are the field for ordinary mortals .
But I infer from what are presented here is : nobody has studied Vedas or Aurobindo. U study these materials and u know the fact of what i am telling. This is my opening message only and i wanted such open forum for nearly more than 10 years in this regard and I thank Aravindan for his initiation and hats off to u . I look forward all u people reply for my point of view to my email skyblue.s@rediffmail.com very very very eagarly.
ava says:
August 12, 2007 at 7:32 am (UTC 0 )
Brahmins should help Brahmins- we are a fast disappearing lot with all the intermarriage. What do we do for our Kashmiri Pandits? Nothing. Shame!! Unless Brahmins help each other and preserve Brahmin values, no one will help us.
Please do not compare us to Jews. Brahmins are Arya like the pure persians-they are not semites.
jrk says:
August 30, 2007 at 7:55 am (UTC 0 )
Unless fundamental changes are going to happen with the political system (which i doubt of course), the ‘golden’ divide and rule policy is going to linger on, irrespective of who is going to rule Tamilnadu; they need votes afterall. The reservations while started with good intentions, has now been made a race to force people to declare themselves backward, and shun their talent into complacency. Of course not all are not like that, but sadly, most are and the reservations have not reached the people intended -> the result: nothing! We should have someone sensible to reanalyze the system on economic grounds, which obviously is the most sensible thing to do! I do not understand the issue with this… Can anyone think of drawbacks with an economic status based reservation scheme? I think this would benifit all!
And this is the worst thing: the headlines in a popular news portal quoted the TN representative in supreme court as having commented that it is now our turn to suffer! So is the reservation about revenge and not development? Even the most most hardcore reservation advocate would call this BS… leave alone me
N.S.Trivedi says:
September 14, 2007 at 2:41 am (UTC 0 )
Brahmins are noble people.Real pure Brahmins do selfless service to humanity and chant “Sarve jana sukhino bhavanthu”.In recent times a number of pseudobrahmins of lowthinking hybrid variety have come to existence.Even the mind of the lowest of Shudras does not entertain such mean thoughts.They all seem to have dominant shudra alleles in their genome and brahminical part seems to be recessive and suppressed.What should be the preaching of a brahmin and what type of people are claiming that they are brahmins?Even God may not be able to save.
DR M K NEHRU says:
September 14, 2007 at 5:32 pm (UTC 0 )
HI All
I accidentily got to this site and read the observations of some individuals.I may inform that brahmans do not live in Tamilnadu only in fact they inhabit india from Kasmir to Kanyakumari.Brahmans represent true hindu /vedic phlophises of hinduism there is no doubt about it.So dont express your anxiety about brahmans of tamilnadu only but as awhole from east to west and north to south.and whole world
I had interaction with many brahmans of diffirent states they are equally worried but are alert and conscious about it.
The basic mantra (mool mantra) is you should be united asremarked by one AVA at your sno 20.because united we stand divided we will perissh.Remember BRAHMAN IS BRAHM WHICH MEANS UNIVERSE.
You should not compare brahman of india with any other in the world as hinduism is the best in the world and brahman is its Head.God bless you all.
aravindhan says:
September 16, 2007 at 2:21 am (UTC 0 )
i am a brahmin doctor
i dont want to comment on the reservation policy
but the issue most interesting me is related to genetics
we are no way related genetically or socially to the jews- we are a distinct aryan race- yes the master race- the race admired and petted by adolf hitler- we possess the r1u1 gene that is peculiar to western europe and nordic countries and we are genetically related to nordic aryans
Eswar says:
September 17, 2007 at 5:54 pm (UTC 0 )
All,
The problem with the dialogue happening in this page is that it tries to, rightly, equate our situation with the under privileged community of Jews who were unfortunate enough to be trapped in Hitler’s Germany. You should remember that, that was not the start of discrimination against the Jewish community, they were persecuted from the time of rise of Christianity and Islam – they are truly misfortunate lot from that perspective. What I admire about them is the fact, although they were passive then, they are very active now in making sure that their culture and tradition is not bulldozed over by those that are inimical to them.
It is extremely important that every Brahmin take it onto himself to preserve the best of our scriptures, ancient wisdom and knowledge – and not just the rituals and traditions – and pass it down to the next generation. The attack on Brahmins in India, especially in TN is not just our culture and traditions, but the very life itself – our men are openely ridiculed in the mass media – films, plays, music and dance. At the same time our women are told that Brahmin boys are hardly worth showing interest in – thus killing any future generations to come out of our community. This is a systematic and organised attack on our ethos. The sad thing is that we, ourselves are falling for it – partly for economic sensibilities, and partly because some of us believe that it is the truth.
The need of the hour is start feeling proud of what we are and what we are capable of and spread that knowledge out to our younger generations.
vinod iyengar says:
October 6, 2007 at 12:57 am (UTC 0 )
HI,
I share the feelings of fellow Brahmins. I am in the process of starting a charitable foundation to help poor brahmins as much as I can. It is the dilution of our heritage and Brahmin culture that bothers me most.
anon says:
October 6, 2007 at 9:55 pm (UTC 0 )
Brahmin’s are successful through their hard work and intelligence. Where as Jews ( the godless , ‘Nastiks’ ) are the scumbags of the world , they have used finance as a tool for getting rich and have showed no inventiveness whatsoever. Einstein was a fake, most of his work is plagiarized.
Vinatha Madhavan says:
October 13, 2007 at 7:58 am (UTC 0 )
Anon, Looks to me like you are a little jealous of Jews. I (a Brahmin) grew up in New York with lots of Jewish friends and believe me, they are smarter. My sons have many Jewish friends and they are likewise brighter than their peers. In fact, many IQ studies have shown them to have higher IQ’s. Not only are Jews smarter, many of them are very nice people committed to social justice. If not for Jews, Indians will be still sitting in the back of buses in the U.S. So cut out this Jew bashing and stop stirring up hatred where none exists – it’s unfair and not borne out by objective evidence. And you are probably the only person who thinks Einstein is a fake.
I am thankful for all my Jewish friends over the years and we as Brahmins can learn a lot from them.
Vinod, please let us know how we can also participate in your charity.
rajesh says:
October 15, 2007 at 4:32 pm (UTC 0 )
brahmins have always been the scholars and academics. brahmins originate from the ganges, hence today UP has the most number of brahmins in india. but over time brahmins have moved all over india. the brahmins who moved to the south moved to escape the moghul invasion that took place in the north, but most brahmins have maintained their family ties.
Jaiyant Cavale says:
November 5, 2007 at 10:53 pm (UTC 0 )
I”m a maharashtrian brahmin living in Bangalore. Though we do not share any genetic material wit jews, we share certain (only certain) atrocities. However, mass killings of our caste has still not taken place whereas jews were exterminated.
I do admire jews to certain extent for their intelligence, but I am disgusted with their violence against Palestinians and lack of respect for their neighbors. Did you people know that a four year old boy playing on the road was kicked at and hit with the handle of a rifle and left to die? Or do you know of the hapless Arab woman who was kicked in the crotch so that she can’t have a baby? These and a million more atrocities are part of the jewish military agenda which teaches the soldiers that once they are inside west bank, they are god. They can do whatever they want. We, brahmins believe in ahimsa. Let alone hurting humans we don’t even hurt animals. I think we are superior to jews.
Well, I take that back, let us not make any comparisons. Our problems are of a different sort. We are discriminated by people of our own religious faith. We are sidelined by other hindus like us. I really am not optimistic about a great future for us in India. When it has become something shameful to say you are a brahmin and when this announcement comes with sneers and contemptuous looks, I think it is better to go abroad just like many brahmins have been doing.
Coming to our nordic genes, yes it has been proven that we share similarities with the western european genes. The similarity ends there. We are still looked down upon by the whites who either call us pakis or niggers. Nonetheless, we do not have to fight reservation there so going abroad is a great idea.
Prema says:
November 13, 2007 at 12:42 pm (UTC 0 )
Hi Vipras
I am a proud brahmin. Yes we are oppressed class. As other minorities have learnt politics is the key to getting all benifits and attention. We should be united and form a forum exclusively to demand our reservation in politics. In karnataka, there are 1 or 2 ministers in the cabinet inspite of many of them being seasoned politicians. Whatever the political party may be we should stand by the brahmin aspirant. This is the case with other castes like Muslims, christians, Lingayats & Gowdas here in karnataka. Hope the new government in Karnataka gives right oppourtunity to brahmins.
Yes we brahmins should forget our identity as members or subsects like smartha, madhwa and be united all the time. I heard about the “Akila Karnataka Chanakya Brahmana Sangha” stage a march asking for reservation in politics. But donot know details. Can anyone give details? Thanks
Prema, Bangalore
chandran says:
November 17, 2007 at 6:35 pm (UTC 0 )
I am not a brahmin and I happened to see this site accidently…I want to say after our independance all most all our prime ministers are brahmins only..and they are only introduced this reservation system..Also all of you forgot the social injustice happened to other communities like untouchablity issues.. Even today other community ppls are not easily getting the job in chennai where almost all higher positions occupied by brahmins and they are supporting there own community ppl eventhough other community guy is eligible…I am against reservation…and goverment should remove caste based system from from all the records and make it everybody equal…
Thanks
chandran,Hyderabad
Haseena Khatun says:
November 18, 2007 at 1:46 pm (UTC 0 )
Islam, Pseudo Dalitism and the Philosophy of Hypocrisy
If we look at the society around us, we find good and bad everywhere. In every stratum, in every caste, in every religion we have good and bad people. A poor should be called a poor, and a rich, a rich. Being poor doesn’t make one a good person, and being rich doesn’t make one a bad person. Goodness and Badness is not dependent one’s level of income. It’s an innate nature of human beings.
However, this innate nature is often influenced by external conditioning – such as family environment, immediate society, education, religion etc. To a Christian or a Hindu, the influence of his religion is not as strong as that on a Muslim (male). This is because a non-Muslim is never “conditioned” to think in one way – as a Muslim man is conditioned to think. A Muslim man cannot think beyond Koran. Dr. Zakir Naik of Islamic Research Foundation rightly says that for Muslims like him Koran is the benchmark for everything. Science is okay in as far as it agrees with Koran. It’s a different matter that Muslim scholars strive to extrapolate, mince and misinterpret Koranic verses to prove that they contend with science. Koran and Science is a new area of research for these Muslim “scientists” (people like Dr. Zakir Naik) to prove that Science agrees with Koran (and, not otherwise). All developments of science – theories, postulates, theorems and axioms are there in Koran, which need to be researched, unveiled and exposed. Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle, Quantum theory, Concepts of relativity, Postulates of Darwin… etc. are all there in Koran. Prophet Mohammed was not only a prophet; he was also a scientist-par-excellence. He had his own research laboratory with 11 lab assistants (you guess the names). It’s an irony that the developed world doesn’t recognize his scientific genius. One Koran is enough to replace all books on Math, Physics, Chemistry, Botany, and Anthropology… by just knowing and understanding the Koran, a person can understand all the secrets of nature.
The Rich Dalits and Muslims… Thriving on Hypocrisy and Hatred towards Hinduism
I must not deviate. Though I am a Muslim myself (a true Muslim never deviates), I am in the habit of deviating from the right path (the path of Islam) and search for newer paths. The Koran in Surah 2 (The Heifer) talks about these hypocrites like me. I, on my part, would like to talk about the hypocrites like VT Rajshekar (Editor of magazine “Dalit Voice”), Kancha Ilaiah (of “Why I am Not a Hindu” fame), Zakir Naik (Dr. Koran)… and the likes. These people portray themselves as oppressed and subjugated – as if all the agonies and sorrows on earth have befallen them. So beautifully they craft words to win audience, that the true Dalits – the really true Dalits, who are really oppressed and exploited, lose their voice. Has anyone enquired into the personal lives of these pseudo-dalits? Are they really dalits? To talk about the rights of dalits is welcome – but who is the real dalit? Whose voice is unheard of? These powerful men have themselves become rich talking about dalits and Islam, but we Muslim women continue to remain under misery and desolation. Do Muslim women have any voice? I was luckier that I married a non-Muslim. And today I have the freedom to write about the issues beyond the veil. The dalits of India are not as exploited as these leaders portray them to be. The plight of dalits (other than Muslim women) has more monetary nuances than otherwise. The oppressed are they who are financially weak. The financially strong, from whatever lower caste they may come from, are not oppressed. And this oppression too is sporadic and milder compared to the oppression that Muslim women face. India offers its citizens far more rights than any other country. But Muslim women are really oppressed, irrespective of their financial status. And the reasons are religious, not political or otherwise. Only Islam is responsible for their poor condition.
Majority of the Hindus are liberal, respectful to other faiths and peace-loving
My husband is a Hindu, loves me, and respects Islam more than I myself. I must say, that India offers tremendous freedom to people to speak their mind. Anti-Hindu books have sold like hot cakes – bought predominantly by Hindus only. Hindus have tremendous tenacity to accept criticism. Anti-Islam literature is mostly available online (many Islamic countries do not permit thought-provoking sites such as faithfreedom.org), but you’d find anti-Hindu books in Hindu shops! What does it speak of? If Hinduism is really that bad, if it is really that oppressive, it’d oppress anti-Hindu publications also. But it never did so. Go to any railway book stall beside Gita-Press outlet and you can freely ask for a copy of Kancha Ilaiah’s “Why I am Not a Hindu?” You can also frivolously tell the Hindu bookseller how much praise you have heard about this book from Dr. Zakir Naik (Dr. Koran) or VT Rajshekar. But I can assure you, you’d never get a hard copy of “Why I am Not a Muslim” by Ibn Warraq anywhere in India, neither in Hindu shops, nor in Muslim shops. [Read my post “Mr. Kancha Ilaiah - Why I Am Not a Muslim!’ You can use the search field on top left of this page]. You’d never get published copies of all those articles posted by Brother Ali Sina (and party) on their website http://www.faithfreedom.org. Ask for VT Rajshekar’s “Dalit Voice”, and you can easily get it in your city if you do a little search. VT Rajshekar calls the Brahmins cunning – and it’s an irony that his so called “Brahmin-ruled” India hasn’t banned his books and magazine.
The Role of Media and Non-Muslims in Converting Muslim Women to Other Faiths
It’s high time that media highlights the pathetic condition of Muslim women across the globe. Let not get swayed away by the baseless rants of these hypocrites. Dalitism for them is a money-making affair. The best leaders of dalits were people like Buddha, Guru Nanak, Sufiyan Thuri, Hazrat Khwaja Garib Nawaz, Sant Ravidas, Baba Bulleh Shah, Sri Ramakrishna… who really strove for an egalitarian society… without making their life-goal a money making business. At least, they were not hypocrites.
In the end, I’d reiterate that the real dalits of India are Muslim women. They hardly have any say in anything. True liberation can only come if non-Muslims come forward to help them. Their plight is more religious than economic. They have been victims of the lop-sided and prejudiced teachings of Koran that has pushed them much behind their own men-folk (who are already behind other men of their age) in terms of education and better lifestyle. True revolution can only come if Muslim women marry non-Muslims. Christians can play a more important role. Missionaries can come forward and attract Muslim women to their fold. Secular Christian education can really go a long way in improving the status of Muslim women. Hindus need to be more liberal in converting people to their faith. There is serious lack of missionary zeal among Hindu organizations – most of them are only indolent outfits busy stopping converts to Christianity. I strongly feel that the plight of Muslim women can improve only if both Hindus and Christians come forward to uplift them. The Sikhs and Buddhists can also play important roles. Buddhists have far more missionary zeal compared to Hindus. Moreover, many Buddhists and Christians in India are non-vegetarians. This would facilitate easy conversion of Muslim women to their faiths. Let us come forward to help the really deserving dalits – the Muslim women who have been victims of worst kind of gender bias for centuries.
Mrs. Haseena Khatun, MA
Editor
Sadagopan says:
January 4, 2008 at 12:42 am (UTC 0 )
For an objective Wall Street Journal article on
“Reversal of Fortune Isolates India’s Brahmins”
CLICK on link given below.
SEARCH for “India’s Brahmins”.
Then CLICK on link to article.
http://online.wsj.com/public/search/search_center.html
Wall Street Journal, 12/29/2007.
Sadashiva Shastry says:
March 9, 2008 at 1:31 pm (UTC 0 )
Hello,
Iam a Telugu Brahmin, am I allowed to join this group?
Ramesh says:
March 9, 2008 at 4:20 pm (UTC 0 )
The Supreme Court has upheld the dismissal of an employee for seeking a job on the basis of ‘bogus’ caste certificate. Isn’t it ironical that a person cannot be easily dismissed for fraud/ misappropriation/corruption, for sleeping at work place or for doing nothing at all. But a hapless citizen obtains a job on the basis of an invention called ‘caste’ certificate and must now lose his job.
A few days ago the extra-ordinarily civil ‘newspapers’ in India (who would otherwise have opposed discrimination in other countries like Fiji, Malaysia etc) carried full-page advs of the UP Govt on its ‘quota’ initiatives. Of all things, the advertisements spoke of a 10% quota for the ‘poor upper castes’ in the private sector to be provided on voluntary basis!
Not one newspaper bothered to ask the UP Govt as to what they mean by the term Upper Caste. The constitution does not define the term ‘upper caste’. No govt has come with a list of people classified as upper caste and yet a quota policy is announced for the ‘upper castes’ who do not exist!
An imaginary 75% of the nation’s population is falsely declared as ‘weak, backward and marginalised’ courtesy Mr Mandal and VP Singh and some anti-social groups masquerading as do-gooders. On the basis of this fake backwardness people can secure atleast 50% of all jobs/education seats, but a poor, deprived man should not obtain a caste certificate.
Will a day come when the nation would get over its caste-based job obsession? Is there even one courageous politician who can extricate the nation from the grip of quotaism?
Ramesh says:
March 9, 2008 at 4:24 pm (UTC 0 )
The reservation system has become handy tool in the hands of professional hate promoters to disenfranchise a section of the Indian society, illegally and unconstitutionally dubbed ‘forward’. Look at TN today where 95% of the population is dubbed ‘backward’ and is entitled for near 100% reservation (i.e thru the 69% quota plus entry thru merit).
Unfortunately, the media has allowed itself to be terrorised by the caste extremists and has chosen to disregard the just and fair claims of a section of the Indian society who are being subjected to caste-based punishment.
neelamraju srikanth says:
March 12, 2008 at 9:44 pm (UTC 0 )
@ CHARU
i dont really concur with ure views which i feel are totally baseless or rather insipid.what makes you think that brahmins are dumb?do you even realize that most of the iits which boast of producing highly talented engineers have pre-dominantly comprised of brahmins. how can you gernalize that not all brahmins are intelligent basing on your trivial experience with them…and my dear it would be better if you acknowledge with the fact that all those directors who have had their tremendous impact in the field of cinema like Mani Ratnam, K.Viswanatha are none other than the ones who hail from the same clas…
Shriram says:
March 16, 2008 at 7:31 pm (UTC 0 )
The Brahmins of TN are somewhat different from other Brahmins in the country.Here I am not talking about their lineage or practices,but the trauma they are undergoing in the state.Despite playing an important role in every field ,including preserving ancient tamil works- U.Ve. Swaminatha Iyer and other commendable activities particularly those pertaining to Tamil Nadu Culture and literature,they are harassed and deprived of all rights which they truly deserve.I am a Tanjavur Tamil Brahmin and I can quote several examples from my own family.A female realtive of mine ,inspite of getting high marks lost her seat to a non brahmin just because she was a Brahmin.My own Brother in law secured 5th rank in the university,but he did not get admission in reputed colleges.So much so that he infact could not enter a medical college,because his parents could not afford paying donations.
There are many more incidents that I can narrate.But I will stop it here.Tamil politicians leave no stone unturned in the exploitation of Brahmins especially Karunanidhi who is unpopular for his attrocites against brahmins ,also credited with the closure of many upcoming brahmin companies.Some of my relatives had lost thier jobs because of the closure of these companies.What kind of birth will these Dravidian leaders take if there is justice in God’s kingdom?Karunanidhi can never escape the ill effects of his karma.How many families has he destroyed ,how many dreams has he shattered.But the Centre is doing nothing about it.It is time other Brahmin communities came to our aid.Rather I’d say it is the duty of every Indian ,irrespective of his faith and religion to come forward to help us.
yadu brahman says:
March 20, 2008 at 11:33 am (UTC 0 )
brahmans must unite and must start their own colleges and schools just as muslim madras and convents do.
brahmans from all parts of world should not discriminate each other they discriminate each other more than the allegedly ” who do not want t o be brahmins by work”
even manu in manu samhita allowed change of caste .
but chief justice of india who is allegedly dalit “(poor)!” has dictated thaat a caste of person is only dictated birth and it cannot be changed and change of caste or caste parivartan is fraud !!
a country where change of relegion by hook or crook or sheer baseless hatred towards own relegion and ignorance of its own true history washed and flushed away by non hindu anti hindu pseudo secularists,
this is very pardox or oxymoronic where people can change relegion at will but not caste, morever if we leave away the percentage mania with sheer numbers the total numbers “rich persons ” of high caste particularly brahmans are tremendously lower in number than the so called taxing on poor india backwards reservationists dacoits.
in UP mulayam yadav who ruled for more than ten years had completely banned incluision of high caste in goverment jobs !!!!!!!!
every body sheds crocodilian tears even dalit “daulat” rich leaders for death of dalit but nobody even winks by the number of crimee they commit.
saikiran says:
April 7, 2008 at 6:38 pm (UTC 0 )
this is saikiran
iam a telugu brahmin from chennai ya i too agree the feelings of brahmins really we should devcelope the unity and demand for reservation
saikiran says:
April 7, 2008 at 6:53 pm (UTC 0 )
all the communities have their unity except brahmins so each and every brahmin be get united and we should develope some percentage of votes then the country wil turn into our side we should encourage the politicians who support for the brahmins and severe action should be taken against who illtreats brahmins .i like periyar very much but people should realize he is not against brahmins his close friend rajaji was a brahmin.only politicians play a game forthe votes.especially in tamilnadu who ever criticizes brahmins wilbecome hero this situation should change brahmins should conduct meetings and explain to society that they r not against dalits both dalits and brahmins should be united so the politicians wil shut their mouth i had a very good dalit friends who support brahmins sowerequest thedravidakalagamtostopcriticizingbrahmins
saikiran says:
April 7, 2008 at 7:05 pm (UTC 0 )
my request to periyar dravida kalagam not to develope anti brahminism in tamilnadu.develope the unity between dravidians and brahmins not to divide dravidian and aryan pleasednt divide the society make the unity if ur really periyar follower dnt insult anybody in the name of caste……my request to viduthalai chiruthaigal katchi mr. thirumavalvan please develope the unity between brahmins and dalits dnt do the caste politics develope the good undestandment between brahmins and dalits.then every problem wil become over. now a days no brahmin is dominating any one all otheres r dominating the brahmin s so please realize and change the situation. be an indian jai hind
Naveen says:
April 11, 2008 at 7:56 pm (UTC 0 )
Hi, I am telugu brahmin working in UK. One major flaw we have is a brahmin does not help other brahmin. I have helped 2 brahmin students for their education and now their families are very happy. Please identify poor brahmins and help them. Then only we can survive. Learn from Jews how they survived with unity. Also It’s a good idea to have our own schools and colleges. Why not?. If mothersas are allowed, why not brahmin schools and colleges? I myself struggled a lot since i was 6 years old. Lost my father, brother and spent my childhood in poverty. But i always have a desire to myself in good position and my own brahmins also. Please start getting united. We have to have our own voice. As you can observe, everybody else in india showing caste feeling for their caste, why not we?. We are not supposed to be too liberal bcoz this is Kaliyuga(still 1,27,000 years left) and not Kruthayuga where Dharma is 100%. I had seen the plight of tamil brahmins when i was studying in Anna university. Horrible. Only 1 general category seat in M.E courses. what a bull shit? It’s just a cast based rigging. But remember, All those who supported M Karunanidhi and Ramadoss will have the reverse punch(remember, without intelligence and dedication, any big country can be easily conquered). Here in UK, after compared to whites, i felt they r giving us some respect and treating like humans more than our motherland. But one thing i will say is there are good people in other castes also (I am from A.P). Jai hind. Remember, please help atleast one poor brahmin student, you can revive the future generations of brahmins. Love u all
nameless says:
April 12, 2008 at 1:54 am (UTC 0 )
” In my opinion every brahmin living in this planet must become austere, learn Vedas and practice the day to day ritual that has been instilled by our forefathers.”
Sangeetha,
It would be great if each and every Indian reads the Vedas!
“When we do this, we will be firm and become like a united arab nation.”
No offence to Islam or muslims…but some of the Islam nations are still fanatical! What’s the use of unity if you cannot welcome people of other faiths with open arms…
As for leaders, when was India ever united? each and every caste wants to develop more and more customs and want to distance themselves….Leaders??? they are busy trying to fill their own pockets or thinking of better ways to brainwash people. Much as I respect Periyar, he is not an atheist. He is actually a Hindu Hater who tried to hide under the garb of “anti-brahminism”. Thirumavalavan is called “chinna Ambedkar” (or something like that). He is a complete disgrace to Ambedkar, who was tolerant towards Brahmins.
“Rather I’d say it is the duty of every Indian ,irrespective of his faith and religion to come forward to help us.”
Shriram, at this point, I have to agree with Sangeetha. We don’t need a leader for the Brahmins. We need someone who unites all Hindus (Brahmins, Shudras, Dalits and all).
We can take the initiative by teaching our children and people around us to respect others as human beings.
rangarajan pk says:
April 13, 2008 at 10:52 pm (UTC 0 )
dear all (to Mr Saikiran in particular)
(from brahmin community in any part of the world0
let us not request others – like DMK , DK, VIDUDHALAI SIRUTHAI ETC.as they will not support us.
we will try to help ourselves by joining religious and brahmin associations and look for avenues to help our community people and preserve our culture. we will try to help our boys and girls get the very good educations and train them in personality development so that our next generation gets automatic recognition by the private sector. % of public sector jobs are less and let us not sit with preferred class of STs and BCs for the increment for years. why try through a broken (by others)ladder where there is a lift nearby.
those who are in USA and can afford to take care of the training and higher education expenses of one or two of their downtrodden relative then we can also pull others up
BRAHMIN ASSOCIATIONS are ready to conduct meetings, but brahmins,at least should attend in enmasse.can it happen in chennai tamilnadu,India?
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sakthi ravichandran says:
April 26, 2008 at 7:38 pm (UTC 0 )
WHEN WILL THE LIFE OF BRAHMIN’S WILL BE DAWNED FROM POVERTY AND STRUGGLES IN INDIA?
ARE THE BRAHMINS INDIAN NATIONALS ?
CAN THEY ASK ANY PREVILAGE TO COME UP AS A NORMAL MAN?
How long these dramas and evils will continue?
whether the reservations to suppressed and dalits will lift their
life standards?
needed solutions as answers
Ashok says:
May 11, 2008 at 6:47 am (UTC 0 )
I am a Brahmin from Karnataka.
I want to differentiate Brahmins with Brahminism.
Life for Brahmins in rural Karnataka is really good. People respect us better than others. The whole world is coming to the fold of Hinduism. And Hinduism is still dominated by Brahminism. Even Jains and Budhists are considered part of Hindu Society.
But do Brahmins have future ? I doubt. Nevertheless , true Brahmin is the one who wishes perpetuity of Brahminism rather than himself.
Prasad Guru says:
May 23, 2008 at 10:15 pm (UTC 0 )
Please limit jobs to the percentage of caste population only.
rudra says:
June 6, 2008 at 12:21 pm (UTC 0 )
Dear All
the very good old saying that when god closes one door he opens another i would only like to tell all my brahmin brothers here that we should not wait for the govt to do something for us the brahmins have always been travellers distributing knowledge but the time has come when we need to get collected physically we need to get concentrated on some strategic location of this contry which should be the upcomoing hub for buissness specially some port and controle the buissness we need to get into buissness as fast as we can this war can only be won by strtegic preperation and for that we need to join army/media/beurocracy/buissness one who controles these four things controles the fate of his race the civil war of india is not far between sc st and obc & muslims for the peice of pie let the dogs fight save your strength for the final blow and make yourself strong in money and strength all those brahmins who can afford please raise as many childrens as you can we are being only victimised because we are a minority then try and become majority at one place and rule the new order the effort is to be on the top the feild of your choice every brahmin who dosent have a job should be provided job by one of us or helped to start a buissness stop asking for dowries and stop pomp and show do not indulge in extravegezas save for your next generation they might need it more than us.
the place we need to get concentrated to dictate terms in future with these pathetic govt has to be near international border preferably pakistan which will make it possible to stop the entire buissness of this country like gujjars have done in rajasthan their strength is only one crore.
if you people think like wise please respond
rudra
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